God Talk: Debates and Discussions with Believers

These are actual conversations that have taken place between religious believers and myself, through forums, email, dialogue, etc. This discussion has been kept in its original format, with spelling and grammatical errors in tact.

Scripture Plus Nothing

Christian: ITS FUNNY REALLY, ITS FUNNY HOW THERE ARE THREE DIFRENT TESAMENTS OF YASHUA. ITS FUNNY HOW PEOPLE WILL BELIVE NON BELIVERS TO BELIVERS. NON BELIVERS ARE PEOPLE LIKE Josephus,IF HE WAS A NON BELIVER THEN JESUS DID REALLY EXSIST? IF Josephus WROTE ABOUT HIM THIS ALSO PROVES HE DID LIVE? NO, YASHUA LIVED BECOUSE WE HAVE THE SCRIPTURES WRITEN BY PEOPLE WHO WAS THERE,PERIOD.THE ADGE OF THE SCRIPTURES ARE ALSO A LIE,THEY SAY THEASE BOOKS WHERE WRITEN YEARS AFTER THE EVENT,THERE IS NO PROOF TO THIS.

Rebuttal: Actually, the lie is coming from people like you, who still dogmatically believe the scriptures are eyewitness accounts written during the time of Jesus. There is LOTS of proof to the gospels being late documents, such as the fact that no manuscript dates before 125 AD, the ex post eventu prediction of the fall of the Temple in Mark, and the absence of any commentaries or quotations of the gospels until about the 2nd or 3rd century AD. On the contrary, your position lacks the proof.

Christian: THERE IS NO LIE FROM ME,LOL, THERE IS NOT ONE SHREED OF REAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE SCIRIPTURES OF WHEN THEY WHERE WRITEN.YOU SHOW THE PROFF? WHAT PROFF? WHERE? DID ALL OF THE WHOLE WORLD MISS SOMETHING?

Rebuttal: I just gave you the proof and you're willfully ignoring it, so I think you did miss something. You didn't even try to dispute what I said!

Christian: OUR FAITH IS BASSED ON FAITH NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS,WE DO NOT NEED Josephus TO TELL US YASHUA LIVED, DIED THEN ROSE AGIEN.YES WE KNOW FOR A FACT HE LIVED,DIED AND ROSE AGIEN NOT BECOUSE SOME MEN? SAID SO THAT DID NOT BELIVE, BUT BECOUSE OF THE ONES WHO DID BELIVE WE BELIVE.

Rebuttal: So you don't know for a fact then. You have faith that the New Testament authors were honest in their writings. You also have faith that they were intending to write history, not theology or polemics against certain groups. The scriptures are very unreliable documents to put your faith in though, as they can't even seem to get the date of Jesus' birth right (Matthew 2:1 - prior to 4 BC, Luke 2:2 - around 6 or 7 AD).

Christian: THERE IS NO DATES IN THE BIBBLE SO WHERE DID YOU GET THIS PRIOR TO 4 BC? THIS AROUND 6 OR 7 AD? SEE WHERE YOUR FAULT IS? DO YOU NOT SEE YOUR LIE? DO YOU NOT SEE WHERE YOU MAKE UP THEASE FAULSE DATES WITH NO PROFF AT ALL NO WHERE THAT THE SAID DATES WHERE THE DATES THE SCRIPTURES WHERE WRITEN?

Rebuttal: Lol, you must reject everything except the bible. 4 BC is the date of Herod's death, so if Jesus was born during Herod's reign, like Matthew 2:1 says, then he would've been born sometime at or before 4 BC. 6 or 7 AD is the date of Quirinius' census of Syria, which is when Luke 2:2 says Jesus was born. These dates are supported by history and archaeology, far more reliable than your gospels.

Christian: Luke 2:2 DOES NOT SAY WHEN JESUS WAS BORN,BY THE WAY HIS NAME IS YASHUA. THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS YOU LIER,WOW,I JUST COUGHT YOU IN A LIE. And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria,SEE, NO DATES,NONE,NOTHING ABOUT ANY DATE,SEE,YOU ARE BLIND TO THE FACTS HERE.

Rebuttal: Luke 2:6 says Jesus was born during or after the census of Quirinius. The bible may not give a date, but there is NO evidence in the archaeological or historical record that the census was any time other than 6 or 7 AD, especially not around 4 BC! You are blind to the facts, not I, because you apparently reject anything outside of the bible, which is indoctrination and blind faith at its finest.

Christian: WHERE DOES IT SAY ANYWHERE OUT SIDE THE BIBBLE THAT THE CENSUS WAS ANYTIME OTHER THEN 6 OR 7 BC, SEE YOUR NOT SEEING YOUR SELF HERE, IT SAYS WHAT???? 6 OR 7, THEY DONT EVEN NOW IF ITS 6 OR 7, IF YOU NOT SHURE IF ITS 6 OR 7 THEN YOU DONT KNOW AT ALL.CASE CLOSED.

Rebuttal: You are unbelievably stupid, lol. History is not an exact science. Sometimes we can pinpoint an event to within one year, sometimes the best we can do is two years or more. If you're unaware of why the census could have only taken place between 6 and 7 AD, read a fucking history book on the subject, I'm not going to do all your work for you, because you're ignoring the facts anyway. You are arguing against ALL scholars of history, archaeology, and a great many biblical ones too.

Christian: YOU COME TO ME WITH IMAGINARY DATES THAT MEN MADE UP THAT HAVE NO TRUE TRUTH TO THEM.YOU COME TO ME TO SAY Herod's reign WAS IN 4BC WITH NOTHING TO PROVE THIS WITH,SO MY POINT IS YOU MAE FACTS BASED ON LIES WITH NO PROFF.

Rebuttal: "Imaginary dates"? Wow, you are severely brainwashed. Herod the Great's sons divided up his kingdom after his death, and each marked the beginning of their own reign as 4 BC [1]. Josephus says that Herod died after a lunar eclipse and before Passover, and astronomy has revealed there was a lunar eclipse on March 13th, 4 BC, about 29 days before Passover [2]. Like I said, history and archaeology testify to these dates. You are arguing against well established facts on the basis of nothing but your own ignorance and blind faith.

Christian: I DONT NEED TO HAVE FAITH THE NEW TESTAMENT WRITERS WHERE HONEST,BACK THEN MEN WHERE HONEST,THEY TOLD THE STORY OF HOW THEY SAW IT,PLAIN AND SIMPLE.THE BROTHER OF YASHUA WOULD NOT LIE ABOUT HIS OWN BROTHER,YOU MAKE ME LAPUGH.YOU ARE BEING LED BY DEMONS MY? FRIEND,OR YOU ARE A DEMON WITH LIES.EITHER WAY,YOU WILL BE JUDGED JUST LIKE EVERY ONE ELSE IN THE END.AND I SIR, WELL,I WILL BE THERE TO WATCHING,LAPHING AT THE VERY LITTLE FAITH YOU HAVE.WAKE UP BEFORE ITS TO LATE.

Rebuttal: Men were honest back then? Now you're making me laugh! You don't believe the Romans were honest men, do you? The Greeks? The Pharisees? If those men were not honest, which I'd agree many of them weren't, then what basis do you have for thinking the men who wrote the gospels were? You absolutely DO have faith that the New Testament writers were honest, and it's ALL you have. Call me a demon and tell me I'll be judged all you like, but it doesn't change the fact that you have nothing.

Christian: so you are to say yashuas brother was not honest? duuuuu, lol.it does change many facts,if you are led by demons you are a WHAT?????????? A LIER.

Rebuttal: Did you meet his brother and personally ask him? I'm willing to bet you didn't. All you have to go on is your FAITH that 2,000 year old documents were written by honest men, and you are so devoted to this dogma that you're willing to dismiss the facts of history and archaeology in order to uphold it. How sad.

1. Josephus. The Jewish War. 1.631-632.
2. Bernegger, P.M. (1983) "Affirmation of Herod's Death in 4 BC." Journal of Theological Studies. p.526-531.